Marc-Alan  Barnette

Yes, where are the members you were supposed to recruit Melissa? Might have to give you demerits...

Interestingly, whenever we talk about something, a corresponding situation happens to me. All the talk about publishers, made me remember a lot of things in my own experiences. And then of course, it moves forward.


I ran into MY publishers last night. We had a great talk and they just did something for me yesterday after many years of not being able to. Shows how the relationships go on and on and on.


Larry Sheridan and Robin Ruddy comprise BEST BUILT SONGS, and THE PARLOR STUDIOS. We were friends for many years, not long after I got to town. Larry was a former contractor and custom furniture builder, who had done quite well in business over the years, and decided to open a publishing company. Robin is one of the best pedal steel guitar, banjo and dobro players in Nashville. She has played with everyone, from Vince Gill, Shania Twain, Lynne Anderson, and a great three year stint with ROD STEWART. 
She also played with me for a few years before starting the publishing company. So we were great friends before that even got going. Part of their decision to start a company was to  build it around me. 


For six years we worked together, I wrote for them, we had parties,retreats, shows, constantly tried to do the thing. Every year, we would have a big party celebrating the re-signing of my contract. Every year was "going to be our year!" We would get cuts, Patty Loveless, John Berry, David Ball, but we never got the big singles, and just never got that big pay off. We were always doing charities for other people and sometimes were all guilty of putting other people's needs in front of our own.
About year five, Larry decides to build THE PARLOR studios, a beautiful, state of the art place, that has recorded people like Lee Greenwood, Faith Hill, Tim McGraw and Kenny Chesney. The vocals to 'Live Like You Were Dying' was done there. But the problem with having a big studio is the cost of that studio. It is very expensive. To defer costs, Larry built upstairs offices which he leased out.
And the thing about anyone in this business, we all have tons of other sources of income. Robin, in addition to performing with a dozen artists, doing sessions, and writing and performing her OWN songs, got her real estate liscence. She has been selling commerical real estate and also other studios. She engineered the multi million dollar deal for Southern Ground, Zac Brown's new studio.


Around Christmas of 1999, they had to have "THE MEETING" with me, telling me that they could no longer pay me to be their writer. They had to let three of us go, and it was one of the hardest things all of us had gone through. I knew it was coming just because you can't continue to be paid when you bring in little or no income to a company. Gotta be real. Songwriters always only think about themselves, but I never did. I always understand the health of businesses because I learned that from my Father. The business goes down, you all go down. 
I had another deal put together by my friend and co-writer "David Vincient Williams (I'm Moving On) and was going to leave Best Built for that one with Warner Chappel. During the negotiations, and while I was out of town, my attorney, sabotaged me by throwing the contract back in the face of the president of Warner Chappel, my perspective new boss. It destroyed my deal and my reputation and I wouldn't even know about it for weeks.


That is when I got into teaching.


But Larry and Robin and I always remained close friends. That is why the RELATIONSHIPS are so important. And why the "reversion clauses" really don't mean much. When we first started I had signed some songs to a different company with no reversion clause.Larry, Robin and I had to go get those songs back. Sometimes even the 'no reversion clause' doesn't mean anything. Pretty much anything is negotiable if you have a good relationship.


Over the past few years it has gotten further and fewer between, we are still close. Last night, we all got together because we were all doing a show. Alice Bargeron has taken over a Wed, night at 360 BURGER, and Robin, Bonnie Lee, RiDawn, and some others were all doing that show. I had managed to double book myself, so I had to play early on the feature at the COMMODORE, then race over to do a second set at 360 Burger.


After I played, Robin and Larry and I talked for a while. They had a new intern they are working with as an artist and writer. That girl has been going through my song catalogue and pulling out songs that she couldn't "believe weren't cut." During the conversation she went on and on about that and Larry, Robin and I kind of laugh and roll our eyes. We have known that for 20 years. But what you gonna do? They get cut or they don't.

Actually,yesterday they had found a "nugget" that we all had forgotten about.  They came up one song short on a demo session at the studio and needed to add one. The Intern found a song called "Must've Been Good in a Past Life' that I wrote with the brilliant Lisa Carver, about 15 years ago. They added that to the session and said it came out pretty well. I really like that song (unfortunately I like a LOT of my songs) so it is cool that it is getting another look and new demo.


And that is really the key to this publishing/writer relationship. And the craft of writing songs. As a writer, how well will your songs hold up in 15-20-25 years? Last night I performed about five of them around that old. And  one that is nearly 30 years old. Sounds like I wrote them yesterday. and it is funny when you have an audience filled with people you don't know, who only want to eat their burgers in peace and talk and THEY shut up for every word. Part of it is the performance. But you have to have a killer song in order to perform it properly. I can do that.

And then the part of the publisher relationship. That they still care enough about you after two decades to bring out some of your old songs and include them on things that cost THEM money. 


That is the real deal, and what single song contracts, while possibly starting the ball rolling, are really only the price of adimission. I would suggest to you that you let that current song go and not think about it. Quit thinking of your songs as such essential pieces of your life, let them go, put them in someone else's hand, and WRITE MORE SONGS!


I can assure you, that you will. You will wonder WHAT YOU WERE SO WORRIED ABOUT!!!" Even if you feel so strongly about it. Hand it off. Many songs have a long lifespan. Might take years to get them out there. Long distance marathon relay. Gotta get out of your own way. Here is the way you should look at songs:


I was taken in an interview with Jimmy Buffet once. Someone asked him, "Do you ever get tired of doing MARGARITAVILLE?" He said, 'It is not my song now. It is the world's. I gave it to them. If they want to hear it, it is my duty to play it. They have paid a lot of money for that song. They can do with it whatever they want. But it is not mine anymore."


That's how you should feel about your songs. Be passionate about them. Work hard at crafting them perfectly. Re-write them constantly. Work with other people constantly. Make them as good as you can get them. Write more songs. Do the same on every song. Record the ones that work, get rid of the ones that don't. Then pass them on to their intended purposes. Artists, listeners. Purchasing public. 


Get out of your own way. 


ACTIVITY=PROXIMATY=OPPORTUNITIES.


Gotta drive to Gatlinburg.


MAB
 


 

Peggy Burnham
John,
I am using a Samsung Galaxy S5.
Peggy
Marc-Alan  Barnette

                                                          MAB CHALLENGE OF THE DAY

I wanted to leave this with you before I headed out on my trip. I CANNOT tell you how much SONGS WEAR ME OUT! I have to listen all day, every day, every minute. Everyone has them.Everyone does them. But I will tell you, THEY ARE ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. As I sit around listening to songs on these writer's nights, open mics, and just really get worn out because no one seems to take a different look at anything. AND THEY ALL SOUND LIKE SONGS!


You HAVE TO MAKE THEM ABOUT REAL LIFE. REAL CONVERSATIONS.


So here is my challenge.


Today, while you are just living life. Going to work. Watching the world around you, MAKE SOME NOTES. find something ACTUALLY HAPPENING TO WRITE ABOUT. And no, don't watch the television and write something about this guy getting beheaded, Obama's golf game, or rioters in Fergeson. That is not what I mean.
I am talking about the LITTLE THINGS. The things that happen around you in your life. Weird discussions with a loved one. Something your kid did. Walking into rooms forgetting why you walked into it. 

But find things that are COMMON and RELATABLE to other people. That is what people are interested in. Stay away from the trucks, the alcohol, the Angry, bitter stuff. Just do things that really happen.


Remember, there is a quality all great writers have.


THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE ORDINARY, SEEM EXTRODINARY!


The small,every day things, seem amazingly interesting. HOUSE THAT BUILT ME. I DRIVE YOUR TRUCK. I'LL DRINK A BEER. Everyone of those are just average things people do, but each one has an interesting twist on the life it portrays. And you can ALL find yourself doing those exact same things.


That is what you have to search for.


DON'T WRITE SONGS THAT SOUND LIKE SONGS. WRITE SONGS THAT SOUND LIKE REAL LIFE.


MAB 


 


 

Marc-Alan  Barnette

Then Peggy, figure out how to make that into something interesting. Maybe you can find an app to make songs astounding!

MAB 


 

Marc-Alan  Barnette

                                                    WHY TAYLOR SWIFT IS QUEEN OF THIS BUSINESS

The other day, Big Ed mentioned the new Taylor Swift video, SHAKE IT OFF. I watched just a few seconds of the video because frankly I was just WORN OUT ON SONGS, and couldn't deal with it at that time. Today, I have seen some news reports about her being RASCIST, and I had to go check it out.


MY GOD!!! I HAVE NEVER SEEN PEOPLE GET SOMETHING SO WRONG AS THEY DO TAYLOR SWIFT.


While, I was concentrating on the "pop' nature, of the song, and responding to what Phil was talking about, "will country radio embrace it?", I missed the entire point of that video. And Taylor, and how she plays into EXACTLY WHAT I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT.


That video is stunning, and just like her, makes a million points by doing. Not only is it not any bullshit thing like Racist (Here we go again, EVERY THING IS RACIST!) She celebrates diversity but POKES FUN AT HERSELF AND THE PEOPLE WHO HATE HER. What a GREAT WAY TO DO IT. It ties into a lot of my current thinking.


I am sick and tired of the ABSOLUTE HATE on FACEBOOK. Even friends of mine have turned totally insane and I am sick and tired of seeing it, reading it, hearing it. It makes me want to really re-assess my "friends" and get rid of more than a few.


NO ONE has been more dissmissed, dissed, ridiculed and written off than TAYLOR SWIFT. And each time, she uses it to reinvent herself and the format. She says things in the press that are dead on and shows why she is so far ahead of anyone else in their understanding of the culture and how to use that to her advantage. And she is REAL.


She said a few weeks ago that Autographs from celebrities are now a thing of the past. Everyone is taking SELFIES WITH THE ARTIST, and that has replaced the signature. Sure enough, now at every major concert, there are people taking pictures of themselves, with the artist they are watching in the background. 

She said two days ago that the lines are being blurred between pop, rock, rap, country. And she is right. If you want to really take an interesting look at things, look at the current country play list, and see the different styles of country out there. Pop country, rock country, folk elements of country, rap and hip hop, and humor. Can you say that in ANY OTHER CATAGORY? I sometimes listen "begrudgingly to current pop and rock acts, to get a sense of where some of my younger clients are into. It makes me SICK. Talk about formats that EVERYTHING SOUNDS EXACTLY ALIKE! They have the same beats, the same tracks, the same noises, the same background garbage, rapping, etc. 
Anybody that wants to condemn country? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!


The point is that in that video, she actually takes on the people who "Think she stays out too late, has nothing in her brain, has too many dates, can't sing...." I have heard it once and already can quote lyrics. The video is funny as hell, featuring takes on all her contemporary's from Beyonce, to Miley's Twerakthons, and does it with amazing humor. 

And what is she doing? Taking on the REAL THINGS IN HER LIFE. The critisism, the jealousy's the controversies, etc. and turning them into something that is REALLY COOL, very artsy,and turns it right back on their head. And as usual, she will laugh all the way to the bank.Her Legions of fans will be turning that into a slogan. SHAKE IT OFF,is going to be heard all over the place as the new GET OVER IT!!!! And at the same time, you will hear some more slickness in country. Now for purests this might not be your favorite thing.


BUT DO YOU WANT TO HAVE MUSIC OR DO YOU WANT TO DIE???


You can still write whatever you want to. You still can look for a home. But you HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE. That girl is AMAZING!


I should've written with her when I had the chance huh? 

Okay, I've got to drive, but I do wish you well. Check out thosre things and WRITE SOME DECENT SONGS!


MAB 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

Peggy Burnham
I could not agree more! She is brilliant.
Marc-Alan  Barnette

Yes. And thank you Peggy, for coming on and being a part of this thread. I get a lot of people "Liking" what I say and that is great. But this thread requires ACTUAL PARTICIPATION, so you coming on and talking about whatever is on your mind, helps us go forward. As you are seeing, we are now getting a bunch of women on here, Melissa, RiDawn, Simone, yourself, Tina, part of that is because you guys are now participating more. 

Women have a very tough time in this business. You are not given the respect you deserve, are always treated like "Sure that little woman and her little songs." and it really pisses me off. One of the reasons I love working with RiDawn is because she has been sort of dissed by a lot of people over the years. I have seen them play her off and not give her credit as a writer or singer. Makes me really determined to "makes some jaws drop." 

So I am very much here for you as well as everyone. But unless you all participate, everyone like you feels NO ONE IS OUT THERE LIKE ME.


So thanks for coming on.Always enjoy hearing your views and experiences. If you have some questions, let em fly.


MAB 


 


 


 

Peggy Burnham
Right now I am just excited because you gave us homework! Lol
I have been in a little bit of a down mode. I have 10 songs demoed and it is so exciting to here the finished product. Now all I can do is just write because I shouldn't really be putting any more money out for demos. Just not practical. I have a few done with different styles so that I can at least show what I am capable of. Now the hard part actually getting something done with them......I know ...I know...don't start ....I understand perfectly the Reality. Lol
Wish I could change the font size on my phone posts but not given that option.
Phillip (phil g.) Grigg

MAB, thanks for the stories and the challenge. I'll get right on that. You know, it is interesting tough. I do a lot of going to retail stores. Almost always, I will just start up some conversation with a total stranger. BUT, now that you gave us that challenge, I just realized I really don't pay that close attention to the conversations. I'm sure I've missed a lot of opportunities for a new song.


Peggy. I just hovered my cursor over your picture to read your bio. For "Fun facts about me", you wrote "na". So, is that "na" as in "nope" or "na" as in "not applicable"? Either way, I found your answer FUNny, and it made me chuckle a little. A very clever answer indeed!


Simone, welcome to the family! Give us time. You'll learn to love us all.


phil g.

Dave Undis

I read an article the other day about someone accusing Taylor Swift of being a racist because of her "Shake It Off" video. For the life of me I can't see anything racist in the video. Two of my daughters are big Taylor Swift fans. They had the same reaction I did.

Peggy Burnham
Philip, non applicable. Lol basically just couldn't think of anything interesting and just filled in the blank space. Maybe I should go back and update myself. Lol
Big Ed Moore

Is Taylor Swift the new Ray Stevens? LOL! The video isn't racist. Some people will always get the wrong idea about songs and videos. Nothing to worry about. Those people hate us anyway! LOL! Now MAB, I have an actual QUESTION!


Randy Boudreaux called me from there today and has a new young and good looking CountryISH/Pop singer that he's cutting tracks on this week. He needs me to do a non country production of it for the Pop market. You know, lot's of Keys and Programmed drums swimming in crazy sounds. He has made a deal with a guy named Mike Borchetta. I hear his son Scott has his own CountryISH/Pop star as well. Taylor something as I recall. LOL! Anyway, what can you tell me about Mike? Not just his background, but what he might be doing lately. I thought he was retired, but what do I know? Any insight would be helpful, especially dealing with our buddy Randy. Thanks man!

Marc-Alan  Barnette

Hey guys,

Just made it to GATLINBURG. One of my favorite places on earth. A really small tourist area nestled in the heart of the
Smokey Mountains. Tonight is the opening cocktail party and it is already PACKED. About two hundred writers here, about half from Nashville. Some really big guys here, looking forward to it. Only have a moment but will give you more tomorrow.


Ed, I can't tell you anything about Mike other than hearing his name. How many Borchetta's are there? This weekend I'll snoop around and find out what I can find out about him. Someone is bound to have worked with him. Stay tuned.


The "Taylor is rascist' nonsense was spouted off by some rapper, who then said "he had not seen the video or heard her song..." Should tell you all you know.


Well, gotta go look cool for the cocktail party.Going to be a BIG WEEKEND. If you guys ever have one of these near you, GO! You will meet more people than  you can imagine and really jump start your career. Again, TRUST ME ON THIS!


The MAB is always right!


MAB 


 


 

Justin  Parker

Welcome Simone! Great to have you, and Meh, I feel just like you these past few months i've felt in a slump but i'm finally getting out. I wouldn't say I got jaded with songwriting that will never happen, but being out of work the constant searching, downtime looking, simply brought down my zeal for the music momentarily. Thank the Lord i've got a great (but tiring job) families good, and my head is back in the game.


Yesterday I worked 7am-5pm came home went back to work at 9:30pm and pulled OT till 1am, fell asleep at 3AM and was back up at 530am this moring i'm comping alot of my time for a trip to Nashivlle when I get off my six month probation period, (we aren't allowed to taked vacation till after we get off "probation" and they suggest a year, but I'm friends with the powers that be so I wanna plan a trip asap.


As I sit here I'm leaving in ten minutes to go to a show and support two Texas artists Kenna Dannielle whom I'm writing a song she's holding called E-Cigarette, and going to meet and enjoy some music from a guy named Josh Fuller who's a bit more "up there" in TX name recognition. Katies an angel for watching the kids tonight cause she knows I've been off for a while so I am getting back in the game.


I'm jaded to twitter and facebook like you and MAB are, but I still use it... I've NEVER had a personal page I have always been against that, but i still maintain a music page with various updates, and use it as a sounding board to show support to other artists, always a fan first like mab teaches. Support them, they'll mayyybe scratch your back one day. Twitter... ehhhhh I do use it to retweet other artists shows etc. but like MAB said i NEVER use it to vent, whine, or anything, people these days don't think before they post and it often gets them into to trouble cause they spout off stupid stuff. I try not to be that guy, I have a ten minute rule for twitter, if ten min. pass and it's still worth saying, i'll post it if not, it's just more to keep my name out there locally and support others.


Well the shows at 7pm tonight so the kids gottta run. Great to see you Meh, and everyone hope all is well, the kids lurking and working!!!! God bless


 

Marc-Alan  Barnette

Hey guys,

What a night! You ever feel like you are just in the zone and hitting everything out of the park. That is kind of me right now. Tonight was getting into Gatlinburg, seeing some new people perform, getting around a LOT of hit writers, several of my former co-writers. It has been a blast and it is only the first night. 

It culminated with a quiet show in a place I've played before. A really cool little resturant right beside a babbeling creek, the food is great and tonight the artists were really good. This was the 'bigger hit writers", Bobby Tomerline, (One Day More,for Diamond Rio) and several others. I am sitting at a table with a lot of new people to me when in walk eight people. They are all hit writers, record people, publishers, etc. Two of them are my favorites. Kim Willams and Doug Johnson, who wrote THREE WOODEN CROSSES. 

There was a new artist on Curb, Mo Pickett, who is very good, then Bobby and then Kim and Doug. it was like hit writer after hit writer. They did "crosses, then Kim did (or tried to do) his Garth monsters, AIN'T GOING DOWN TILL THE SUN COMES UP and PAPA LOVED MAMA. Was really cool. Then it got really interesting. I had not planned on playing, but always have a guitar in my car, (I'm a lefty and you have to bring your own.) Bobby came over to me and said "you got a guitar man? " I didn't even know he knew me. But I said yeah, and he said "go get it."


So I did, and a few minutes later after a really sweet intro speech by the Festival orginizer, Cindy Montgomery Reeves, they brought me up. I did "My Girl's Hotter' a song I wrote with Frankie ballard and Walt Aldrich, who they all know and adore and they have all been trying to get cuts on Frankie. So that impressed them. Then I pulled out ALL ALONE AGAIN, a song I wrote with Kim. it is a big Broadway BALLAD! Yeah guys, the MABSTER was slinging out power ballads tonight and with great effect. Kim had not heard that song in about 15 years and was really fired up about it. Then I dropped the bomb with TABLES AND CHAIRS, which was the one that got the "ahhs" applause, and oohs on the "you don't choose music, music chooses you" lines. 

They all grabbed me afterwards and we took some pictures. Doug's wife, who is one of the top publishers in town, with a number one out this week, hugged me and talked about how moved she was by Tables and Chairs. Even publishers feel like that sometimes. 

So that was a pretty cool night. I kind of blew off the late night guitar pulls, because those will be going tomorrow and Saturday. Wish you all could be here.

The point is that is what all of this is like. Several of you are kind of getting past the walls, right now. Getting a lot of songs demoed, then trying to figure out what to do with them and worrying if you spent too much money. Life getting in the way and family, finding jobs, etc. all tend to take all your time. Or just plain getting worn out when things just don;t happen. That is the majority of times. You have to understand it, work through it and relish what opportunities come your way and be able to play up to those opportunities when they do. You have to use the time when you are not so busy to perfect your game and always be on top of it. It will swing the other way and a ton of things will be happening for you. Remember these times. Because they come back around.

Always treat everyone exactly the same. You see the same people on the way down you saw on the way up.


MAB 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

Melissa  Yamello

Wow - sounds like a great night - so awesome they pulled you up AND that you had your guitar with you. Never thought of the lefty thing! You are an amazing performer MAB, I'm sure everyone was blown away. We all need to keep practicing and preparing for those moments for sure. I honestly think I walk away from my guitar a little better, every time I play it. Even if it's just ten minutes, sometimes that's all you have - it makes a difference.


You are always ready MAB, and that seems to separate the pros from the rookies. There's a big lesson in that. What I'm learning is there really isn't any time for being shy in the business. There's always going to be someone out there - might not even be as good as you, who is ready for the opportunity and not shy at all. They are going to succeed over someone who doesn't know how to play, or who is shy, or just unprepared. Still working on all of those things Smile


Justin - Hope Kenna's show was good last night. Great that you are able to get out and support her. Sounds like you have a crazy schedule. I missed the posts where you might have mentioned  this, but where you are working now?


PS - Taylor Swift is awesome. She is constantly reinventing herself and is and incredible talent. I hear so much Taylor bashing, it drives me crazy. I really think jealousy is at the root of all of it, it's just so ugly. For some reason it's just so difficult for people to be genuinely happy for one another. She deserves to be where she is today, there's no question. 


 


 


 

Marc-Alan  Barnette

                                                                     BEING PREPARED

One of the things that has always separated me from most anyone is my ability to perform, anywhere,for anyone, anyhow and bring the same level of attitude and ability everytime. That is what a professional does. The reality about music is that you have to be ready at any time and always have to have whatever you do, represent you without explinations or apologies. 


Any time I have ever been asked, pulled into do something at the last minute, or if my songs are heard on recording, I feel like I have always  been on my game. of course there are always things you would like to have done better, it is not a perfect world, but you have to be proud of what you do.


My first cut, on Shelby Lynne,came because I did months of writing and asking questions (what I tell all of you to do) of Ron Muir, kind of my "MAB" on Nashville. I met him at a songwriter's meeting (get out of the living room), and PAID him (sometimes you have to get skin and money in the game) to teach me what he had taken years to learn. Sound familiar?
Then, using talents I had developed as an entertainer for 10 years in rock bands, (getting around other musicians), rehearsing
several nights a week, I brought all that to Ron and he took me the next way. (Long distance Marathon Relay.) When we came
Nashville to record, the songs were well written and tested out by performance. (Get out of the living room). When i started playing
in Nashville at a quarter to one in the morning (always be prepared) I was approached by a guy who liked my "funny stuff."
He was not in the music business but his ROOMATE WAS. My songs were well recorded and worked their way up through
Tree publishing before they even knew who I was. (Be prepared)

All these things serve me well today just like last night. I am always well rehearsed and think through my songs knowing what
to play for each situation. I never let more than a couple of days go by where I don't work out on guitar. I always have my Cd's with me, to
leave in case someone is interested. I always spend that extra few minutes talking to people and answering questions.
When you listen to a song of mine live, I play with dynamics and textures. When you hear my stuff recorded, it is done
well and I don't put up things that don't represent me well.

And my ears are ALWAYS open to pick up conversations, snippets, situations, senarios,etc. that could be a song. There
are usually a dozen ideas a night or day that I could write if needed. Those are what I pull out when people are wanting to
write but have no ideas or know where they are going. I also use those experiences to add to what they are trying to say.

That's how I do it. Works pretty well.

An interesting aspect of last night at the cocktail party was several people approaching me who remembered me from last year.
I was NOT scheduled on this last year. I just kind of showed up because several people I knew were going. I was watching a show
on one of the main stages. I knew all the artists because they were all friends of mine and they were yelling at me from the
stage and talking about MY songs. In the middle of THEIR show. Then, all of them had to leave to go to another show (most get scheduled
twice a night) and the next group had not shown up yet. (Get there ON TIME.)
They pulled me up on stage to kill 15 minutes in front of about 300 people. The organizer was there and came over after
asking if I could do two more shows that weekend.


That's how I got started here. 

If you are a songwriter, you HAVE to get around where songwriters go. These festivals are the best way to do that. Want to meet
co-writers, people to perform with, like minded individuals in your area?This is where you find them. Go to Nashville and everyone
is into their own thing,and you are an outsider. On these things you are as equal as anyone.


FRANK BROWN IS NOVEMBER 7-17. (hint hint!)


But you also get to see hit writers, up against the amateurs and up and comers.You get to see what MAKES THEM HIT WRITERS.
The best 'game film' you can get.


If you are sitting around waiting to get songs "placed" with song pluggers, film and television libraries, seedy publishing companies,
 even waiting on those meetings with ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, NSAI, or even some really great people, I am afraid you are
going to be waiting a while. Possibly forever. If you are waiting for someone to "discover" what you are doing through your
CD's or web sites, reverb nation, spotify, you tube, etc. you are going to be in there with about a billion other people and songs. 
Do you really have that much faith.

This is the real world. Better get in it.


MAB 


 


 

Marc-Alan  Barnette

 


 


 


 


                                                         SONGS THAT SOUND LIKE "SONGS."

Phil, you are kind of outlining your biggest problem. You are hearing conversations, but not LISTENING to them. You are not OBSERVING what is going on. Most people are like that. And it is why so many songwriters miss the boat,and while songs that just sound like other songs. An interesting thing when you go to festivals like this or in a place like Nashville, and see the amateurs all performing, then see a PROFESSIONAL hit writer, you see the difference. Most people do these songs and they are all about the same subjects, written the same way, usually have the same rhymes, same titles, same approach, even very stock melodies. This is because they are HEARING songs, on the radio, of their favorite people, but are not LISTENING to how they got that song. 

They are just parrots repeating what has already been done.


Hit writers are hit writers for a reason. Their songs are easy to understand and very memorable. They have a simple story line yet can say so much in just a few lines. They inspire us to sit there and go "wow! How did they do that?"


They listened.


And they observed what is going on around them. With hit songs and those magical ones that SHOULD BE HITS, you can see the story in your minds eye. You know what is going on. You actually can hum or sing along, picking up part of the words before the song even ends. You are moved to tap your foot, nod your head, you stay involved in the action. And there is always something different or interesting about it. The melody will stick with you. The action will go somewhere you didn't see. The rhymes will be very interesting and rarely get Sam I Am. And most of all, it will sound like a CONVERSATION. It has reality, instead of a lot of flowerdy language that you have to be an English  Literature professor to understand. It sounds like REAL LIFE.


So if you look at your songs and see a lot of things in it that just seem forced or unrealistic, you are missing the boat. If you are having so many words, verses, no real hooks,and if it bores YOU, how do you think your public will like it? How many things do you sit around watching, listening to, or being involved in that you really don't like, bore you to tears, or make you want to turn off  or turn the channel.


Are your songs doing that? Do you have GLOW songs, that make people want to pull out their phones and text. (The GLOW in their faces).


And like Peggy, or OTT, a lot of people want to go spend a lot of money on demos, and want people to hear them, but there is no real forum for them to be heard. If there is no artist, you are in trouble in this day and age. If you spend a lot of money on demos, you have a great sounding demo to play for your friends. Most friends don't PAY for music. Especially not from their FRIENDS. They expect it for free.


 


So you have a conundrum folks. You have to find ways to get your music out there. It is not easy but it can be done. But you are going to have to realign your thinking for the reality of our age.


REALITY, I'T'S WHAT FOR DINNER. Or in the words of one of my favorites, JOHN ADAMS, "Facts are stubborn things."


MAB 


 

Peggy Burnham
I actually sent a message to a very important person and they responded. They said they would listen to my songs within the next week and then talk to me about this crazy world of songwriting. Even gave me permission to remind them if I hear back incase they forgot. I was extremely excited to even get a response. The possibility of this person actually listening to my songs was unreal. Even if he didn't like anything and gave me pointers was awesome to think of. Then with the connections he had....if he actually liked something. ..well. ..one can dream. That was 4 weeks and 2 reminders ago and no response. Would have been better had he not responded the first time than to say you will do something and then not.
Melissa  Yamello

Peggy, I feel your pain. Had a major artist supposedly going to hear one of my songs, even got some of my songs to Scott Borchetta in the begining of the summer, handed to him personally by one of his good friends. And all I heard back was crickets. I got nothin'! But I wasn't suprised. And I didn't even ask to have it done..it was a friend of a friend trying to do me a favor. I didn't even really want to do it, because I'm not 'there yet' but it was one of those opportunites I couldn't pass up.


Hey...for what it's worth I hope that he does respond to you! You never know. I'm still an aspiring songwriter and I don't claim to know much, but one thing I already do know is - you can't get too excited about anything!! LOL. Seriously, it's such a rollercoaster of emotions and  you can't hold your breath for one of these people to come through for you. Just like songs you write...you can't get too hung up on any of them. I try to write them as best as I can and then when they are done...NEXT! 

I think the bonus to getting out of your living room like MAB says, writing with other people and things like that, is at least you're having fun in the process and meeting new people, making new friends and forming relationships. Stay busy and forget about who you've submitted your songs too, or whatever the case is. Then, maybe one day you will be geniunely (and pleasantly!) surprised!  

Marc-Alan  Barnette

Hey guys,


Man, what a day so far. Last week I got a new cell phone. It is great but the problem is that it comes with all new chargers,etc. So of course, coming to Gatlinburg, i get here and have THE WRONG CHARGER. So my phone died. I have a car charger but it has to be running to charge. So what do I do? Well I'm in the SMOKEY MOUNTAINS! So I thought I would drive the little 25 mile jog up the mountain to CHEROKEE NORTH CAROLINA. THREE HOURS LATER, I FINALLY GOT BACK!!! Traffic, slow lanes, road construction, WHAT A PAIN IN THE BUTT!!! I remembered why I didn't make that drive to Cherokee very often. Won't do it again.


The festival is going on and I wandered around seeing some of the venues. Of course it is about 100 degrees here so people are nearly sweating all over the place! Luckily I close the show tonight so it will cool down, I hope. Really great festival.


I noticed you and Peggy talking Meh, and understand where you are coming from. But another reason coming to these places is you see what is coming. Every hit writer (and there are about fifty of them) are bringing their artists, the people they are writing with,the people they are grooming for record deals. Saw a guy yesterday who has just signed with Curb records. he is 21, very good and every hit writer here is either trying to write with him or has written with him. He played several songs and named out his co-writers, many of whom were in the audience.


Now also here are hundreds of people, many of which are new and aspiring writers and artists. I keep running into two BEAUTIFUL girls who have a duo called "The Darlins." And they are. If they play half as good as they look they will be interesting. But judging from the descriptions of their music, it will be kind of a "Pistol Annie's/Dixie Chicks" sort of thing. Only thing is, is that there are about 300 of those around these days. 


You kind of start "type casting" people you see. the young hot guy, (cap act, with the cap backwards or forwards),the duos, groups (bluegrass is really big here, and I just saw one play. They all are kind of dressed in the "bro country" uniform, baseball caps, sunglasses, tatoos, Kind of Eric Church with a banjo and dobro.) The obligatory hot girl, the over 40 people just trying to hang on, the parents walking around with their kids that YOU JUST HAVE TO HEAR!!!


And of course, everyone is trading business cards and trying to give CD's out. I've already turned down four of those. 


Now this is what I want to say to those conversations girl. People always ask 'Can I send you some stuff?" And you never want to say "NO." You look like a jerk. So you always say "sure, send it to..." and sometimes you get friends, friends of friends who say,"YOU'VE GOT TO HEAR......!" It is every single day. So you tell them yes, and then go on to your own day. And that is filled with your own artists, your own songs, dealing with your day to day business. The farther away it gets, the farther away. So the fact that you are not getting answers back is really part of the deal. 


And it is not because they (or I) don't want to help. We do. We are interested. But we have a lot of things we deal with all the time. I try to detail the things I do with artists and writers because I want you to know what it is like on that "other side of the desk." I'm not even a hit writer but even I get a lot of people wanting help. Of course,that is how I make a living so it is part of my deal. But man, there is just no way to help everyone out there. It is why you have people you personally work with. 


Now imagine someone like Scott Borchetta. He has the biggest artist in the world. His job is predicated on keeping her happy. And he is not going to take things in that would compete with his artist. Just not going to happen. It can't. 


The higher the level the industry person, the more they have riding on their reputation. So they are just not able to get to everyone. They would love to, but they just can'[t. and if you are talking about them hearing your songs, you are competing WITH TAYLOR SWIFT. Do you have a song that could knock SHAKE IT OFF? Because I'm telling you now,that is what they are looking for. And it has to be better than that one. 


So when you get a chance to "send material in", you better know who you are sending it in for and have an idea of how high the bar is. Because that is what you are competing with.


But once again, if you were finding and writing with your own ARTISTS, it is a different ball game. Starting to see the common thread here?


MAB

Melissa  Yamello

I defintely see your point, MAB - and trust me, I personally never would have sought out these contacts or opportunites for just that reason. I'm NOT at that level, and I realize it. These opportunities presented themselves, so it was kind of like 'what do I have to lose?'. And yes, did I get slightly excited? Yes, I'm human so for about all of 5 minutes and imagined the possibilites.   But I knew that nothing would come of it. Not that I'm pessimistic - I've just always thought it better to not have any expectations. 


I can't even begin to imagine how many CDs, biz cards, headshots, ect get thrown right in the G-can without even being heard. I completely get that and don't know how you or anyone else sifts through all of it. 


Wish I was there to check everything out. I'm putting 'music festival' on my list of things to do this year. I'm not sure when it will happen, and I will certainly try to get to Frank Brown, but we'll see. Now I have to travel to see my son too, so I'm not sure what's in the budget. 




 

Peggy Burnham
I understand what you are saying. In my case I didn't ask to send anything. I just asked questions. Like how do you get started. How do you get people to listen being new. Do you enter contests do you send demos.etc.etc. I told him I had some demos done so that people could hear the music. And I told him where it was at . I said that I understood if he was to busy to respond. And I thanked him. But then he did respond and I was surprised.
Marc-Alan  Barnette

Peggy and Melissa,

I really don't know how I can say it any plainer. I understand you didn't ask for anything. (in my post that was what the 'friend of a friend' approach is about.) we are constantly harrangued by friends, relatives, significant others, all saying "you have GOT to hear my friend...' a response to anyone that is trying to do this by someone being approached by anyone is "where can I hear your stuff..' "send me a link..." etc. that is the business equivalant of "wow, you have both lyrics AND music in your songs..." It is just a standard answer. And it is meant with the best of intentions. B
BUT..... I would make sure that anytime anyone offered that, I had the most astounding stuff in the world. I would have it PERFORMED OUT!!!!


This is the breakdown right here. UNLESS SOMETHING IS TESTED LIVE IN FRONT OF REAL AUDIENCES, I WOULD NEVER RECORD IT!!!!! Ever.


That means ARTISTS, ARTISTS ARTISTS! There is really no way around this. You are simply not able to play on the playing field. So what to do?


YOU HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE LIVING ROOM. And most of them are right around you.


We have talked about this over and over. You have examples of MATT Casey, who formed his own facebook group, now has over 200 members, won the NSAI song of the year contest, and has artists everywhere, most of them in his own neighborhood. You have Justin who drives an hour to go see people. You even have YOU Melissa, who have a new person you are writing with, but you have to even do more. You have GOT to find those young artists around you.


Phil has talked about the open mics that come and go around him. He says there is no one willing to get out and do anything. Then he mentions that there are two and three more that he hasn't gone to yet.
There are songwriters festivals all over. There are outdoor street fairs that feature songwriters. Their are state fairs, county fairs. They all feature local and regional performers.


There are local songwriting groups. Their are coffee houses that feature 'open mics and "open stages." There is NSAI. there are local songwriting events,seminars, workshops. There are colleges that have coffee houses that feature the same. And of course, tons of songwriting sites that will have people from your area. My experience has always been that you will meet dozens of people from just one or two people.


BUT YOU HAVE TO MEET THAT FIRST PERSON.


Some people have used FACEBOOK to start the conversation. You know how I feel about it, but sometimes it is a nessasary evil. My personal views shouldn't keep anyone from doing whatever they need to do. Reverb Nation, Craig's list, I don't know. That is what Social networking is about. You have to find a way that works with you, and NO I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO BLOW YOUR BUDGET, DESTROY YOUR FAMILY, END YOUR PERSONAL LIVES TO DO THIS.

I'm trying to show you ways to do that, WITHOUT going broke. And I am trying to show you ways to make it work, people who have done this. Every single thing is from personal experience and those that I work with.


But I am also trying to inject some reality into the things you are going through. That is my role here. You get opportunities, great. Always follow up every lead. But you are saying "I was told to send this and that, or contact them, and then all I hear is.....crickets."

I work almost every single day with young artists, new writers, the people I am telling you to contact. There is not one of them, not one, that would even CONSIDER listening to anything sent to them from people they don't know. So all those pitch services, film and television libraries, online song pluggers? Draw out the money you would pay any one of them, get the cash and go flush it down the toilet. They are just as effective.


Why is that? I am telling you why. I am showing you everything we on the other side of this go through and I can assure you it is the exact same with the people you are dealing with, corresponding with, interacting with. 

REALITY.
We are in a meltdown music industry.Nobody is making much money. Everyone is expending twenty times the energy AND MONEY we ever have in the past just to stay in the game.


Careers NEVER START IN THE MIDDLE. They ALWAYS START AT THE BEGINNING.
Forget about the established artists, you have to find the newcomers. 

EVERY SINGLE MAJOR WRITER IS SEEKING OUT NEW AND UPCOMING ARTISTS. Every one. These are people with enormous hits, hall of Famers, people that have more gold and platinum records and success than you can ever imagine. And they are ALL trying to find new people BEFORE they get signed. It should tell you something that that is happening. These are people at the very top of the game. Why do you think that would be different for anybody? 

The farther away from the source (the artists) you get, it is light years away from getting anything to them. Song services, publishers, song pluggers (except those at the very top of the game) are of no use whatsover.

This is the playing field. You have a choice to get on it, or not. And if you don't that is fine. Again, I want you to write the best songs you can, get them performed or recorded as best ast they can be.  In my experience in life, the ONLY way that happens is through PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS and that just doesn't come from Internet only.

So no matter what you want to do, either just write great songs for your friends or relatives to hear, on your web site, or to actually try to get some legitimate pitches out there, the ONLY way to do that is to get out and do it. Get out of the living room.


I don't know how to be any plainer. 

MAB 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

Marc-Alan  Barnette

Peggy, 

I hope you don't feel I am just ';being mean" to you or anyone. I am trying to be as fair and as thorough as I can. I give the harsh reality but then try to show you what fails and why, then what WORKS and why. That is what I am trying to do.


We cover so many subjects here and it can get confusing with so much cross talk and my long posts. A lot of times can forget what we are even talking about. But I read the questions  you asked your contact and here are my short answers to those questions:


CONTESTS:


Contests are a nessasary evil. They are out there, a lot of people participate, many of them make a lot of money, some for good causes. Matt, Wags and Keith Dozier won the NSAI contest this year, which is in my opinion is probably the most prestigous of all.
But aside from some prizes, money and a nice little short press fun, they don't have much to do with anything as far as the industry.


CONTESTS ARE BASICALLY THE GAME SHOWS OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.
Hit songs or even songs considered for artists are never chosen that way.


"SENDING ANYTHING IN."
NEVER. No one listens, they are spam email. Even if someone knows you, you are still very far away from the realistic source. The people you are dealing with, while well intentioned are not able to actually consider songs outside of their own, those in their companies, or friends and artists.


Having quality demos is important to represent you, but often just to convince someone to write with you. If you want an artist involved in your songs,  you are pretty much going to have to write something WITH THEM. Artists are now conditioned to want their own stuff and their own stuff only. If they join larger companies, publishers, hit writers, record companies, they are going to HAVE to be involved with other people's songs, but those will all be from their inner circles. 

So those are my quick answers to your questions.


HOW TO GET STARTED? LOOK IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.


MAB