John Westwood

JW, appreciate it very much, have only had 4 GB of bandwidth each month (mobile only, no home broadband) but changed over to Optus and they were offering 10 GB for $40 pm allowing a bit more freedom, oh and stopped working 12 – 13 hour days!

*snip*

So the formation of a writers group charged with helping talent rise with better songs although surely a bit of hard work, is a great idea and one worth the effort. Maybe a Peninsula Group and a City Central group eh JW with get a together for cross pollination?

*snip*

Arty




Arty  I ran  an Idea  across some 40 people about
a) a song writing  group
b) if  successful leveraging  from the former Frankston Guitar Festival into a Frankston Songwriting  event  on a MUCH smaller  level   1 venue  only and about  writing rather than  flogging guitars  and other gear  and throwing in  bands as an after  thought.
  It never seemed to  be managed particularly well..too spread out and the centre was not much  more than a $10 entrance fee for a trade fair. Car parking was abysmal. Very disappointing. The local council pulled out of the sponsorship and so it ceased to be.

Of the 40 + emails I sent plus  ph calls , I had 4 responses . Still  it was late last year. I might  try again  and see what the level of interest is..  Had a  few more ideas  since .

 Lets get our heads together and see what we can  come up with.  I think I can get some better know locals artists aling  but we  would need a lot more  bottom end  to make it worth while for the artists>

Of course they could  donate their services  for the publicity... Yeah  Like   RIGHT   not !!!!!


 jw



c)
Arty Redsocks
JW
I think the attraction for so many performers is actually gigs - we are not Nashville or Austin or LA where the big record companies are, and in all fairness, there is not the competition of great performers either, good yes but very few great.

The SMALL PIE syndrome it must also be said is pretty prevalent. There is also the universal issue of attention spans and why some performers actually need great song, they are not writers they are performers. As a case in point one of the really good performers has gone to bland look at me LOOP pedals rather than what was a pretty sensational voice and stage presence.

I make sure it is not just me, so I ask someone I am with or who is there, what was memorable for you with this performance and invariably I already know the answer.

There is a bit of a strangle hold of the old guard on gigs at certain places and they are very good performers but unmemorable in the lyric department. The trend to rehashing old bands such as the Beatles or Townes Van Zandt with 40 people playing covers only weakens the true music scene. Still I do see some gold nuggets.

i.e. https://www.facebook.com/events/1667710013463412/


This is needed and would no doubt develop very quickly if controlled correctly.



MAB, question re writing targeted songs for particular charities. Over the years as an exercise or desire I have written songs specifically for charities whether it be White Ribbon (had a whole lot to do with battered wives at one stage in my life) or dementia etc. Obviously these are not going to go to record companies but do you have suggestion as to how best to get them to the charity for apprasial - would it be better to find the advertising company for instance....


Arty



 

Marc-Alan  Barnette
Hey Arty, good to see you posting. And glad you and John are talking about trying to invigorate your respective scenes. I know it is difficult, and a lot of the places I  work with are far away from Nashville, LA, New York or Sidney. But there are things that are going on. One of my more interesting experiences this past summer was a four day tour with a guy from Queensland, Andrew Cavanah. He is an internet networking guy, who had taken about three months and was touring America, partially to speak at some Internet trade shows and partially to investigate Nashville and songwriting. 
I learned a good deal over a few days, and took he and his girlfriend around, introduced him to some people here. We ended up in the studio with Christine Parri, the Aussie singer who lives here, doing two songs with her and then two, that were STRAIGHT AC/DC heavy rock songs. One was a "football anthem" sort of thing called "MADE IN AUSTRALIA" and the other was called "I'M A QUEENSLANDER." 
I felt a little odd singing those since I am no where near Aussie, but they turned out well and he has gotten a bit of radio airplay over there and is searching for a regional artist to record it. Claims it is "easier to get songs to artists" over there. I don't know. I don't think anything is easy, but we'll see. I have worked with quite a few people from down under over the years and they have expressed the difficulties of distance, time and attitudes when trying to put some form of group together. Also about the proclivity for artists to do covers. As we hear from Phil, that is a pretty universal problem. 
I never can tell anyone what THEY need to do. I can only explain what other people have done and see what applies to any individual situation. 

If you guys are interested, you can contact me privately and I can give you Andrew's contact info. He is quite a go getter and might be a good person for you both to know. Putting some form of songwriters resource service or group, takes many forms. Some people can do it online if he has to be that way. Like music itself, never know until you try.


On Charities. Like everything it is a tricky thing. Charities are usually concerned only with raising money and contributing to the cause they support. And there are all kinds of issues "behind the organization" Once I was doing a series of benefits for the local YMCA, purely charity fundraising. At the same time I had a girlfriend who....shall I say became an embarrasing problem with her behavior. Because of the questionable nature of her, the YMCA asked me not to be involved with them, at least till she was gone. I've done things since and there was no problem.

For the chartities themselves, they are always wary of being used, so it is not as simple as just getting a song to them. You kind of have to do it all. You need to contact the person who is involved in the publicity for the charity. And of course, seeing the people closest to the top or if possible, the director's of the organization. You just have to start at the top and work your way into the organization. If there is an advertising agency involved in a charity, you are going to have to go through them in any way. And be prepared to stand in line. If it is a viable charity, they usually have other people with the same idea as well. 

In a town like Nashville, where everyone has a cause and songs, it is pretty normal. Right now, myself and Big Ed Moore, from here are involved in our song 24 NOTES, which is about the song "TAPS." Ed contacted a person who has an organization, BUGLES ACROSS AMERICA, which organizes buglers and trumpet players to perform at military funerals. It features the song, which he and I wrote, and the band he is promoting. Great win win. Hopefully he might read this and give you some information on how he got that developed.

In most places people have charities and do theme songs, or organize methods to raise awareness or funds for that. The songs WE ARE THE WORLD and DO THEY KNOW IT'S CHRISTMAS were huge in the 80's to bring the world together for hunger. It has worked quite well throughout time. Even today, a friend of mine, Rob Crosby, has a National theme going, "SAY A PRAYER FOR PEACE" which is recorded by country superstar TRACE ATKINS. It is on commercials about every ten minutes here. It benefits the "Wounded Warriors" charity for victims of Iraq and Afganistan, America's most recent wars. Works great.

Another friend of mine, GARY HANNAN, who is a hit writer with hits by MONTGOMERY GENTRY and JOE NICHOLS, is himself a veteran from the Rodesian Civil War. He was an Army Special forces Vet from South Africa. He has done an entire CD of Veteran themed songs and travels around on his motorcycle, visiting Vet's groups, and his brothers/sisters in arms. HE does it on Facebook and is really active on that.

The California group, OC9, are picking a charity also. I think it is a very viable idea and a good way to bring community spirit together. But there are many levels to it. When you deal with charities, you deal with BEUACRACIES. That means a LOT of people making decisions, and a lot of things going on within the  organization. So that means a lot of delays, missed meetings, and red tape. So if you are going to do something along those lines, bring your patience, because  you need it. You would think that if someone wanted to give someone something for nothing, it would be a no brainer. But in this day and age, NOTHING is EASY or SIMPLE.

The last thing I can think of that you can do (which may end up being the primary way) is you can write and record your song, develop a web site and promotional campaign around it, put it on the net and give money that it generates to the charity, unasked. That may generate it's own publicity.

Getting a well known artist to record a song is always the best way. But that has it's own problems as they generally have their own agendas, their own causes and they are besiged by people asking them to be involved in THEIR charities. One of the reasons most celebritities form their own organizations just for fundraising. 

Like everything, it is trial and error. If your heart is in the right place, that is always the first place to start.

MAB
Dan Lamons
We hung out with Phil last night, Started off playing trivia in the hotel lounge we came in 3rd, if I had listened to the wife on the 1st round we would have won .

We walked up the street to a bar called City Fire @Sumter Landing, where the old folks drink, dance and act like we're 20 again. We fit right in! It was a great time for all.

We are taking a cab to City Fire @ Brownwood tonight and do it again with our favorite band ,The Boogie Brothers.

Phil, it was fun. We will do it again sometime in the near future. We came here probably 5 times in the past 12 months. It is our favorite get away !
Phillip (phil g.) Grigg

Hey Dan! Yes, it was a great time! Sorry I don't dance though. Hmmm Could be a great title for a song! Oh wait, it's already been done. One of the really interesting things was that turns out Dan and Charlene live real close to [evil] Herb. But, what 2 different guys! Dan and Charlene are two real fun people to be out with. Thanks for inviting me along.


phil g.

Marc-Alan  Barnette
That is really cool Don. Thanks for reporting on that. The entire purpose I have had for this thread since the beginning is to help people build relationships that they can continue "IN PERSON." So it means a lot that you linked up with young Phil. It is good you get him out among some people older than he is. He needs some people to look up to. LOL!

Glad you're having a great time. Pop back on and let us know of anything else interesting. Be careful in traveling.

M
Marc-Alan  Barnette
Phil,

Make sure they don't get sucked into the "Evil Herb's" wake. He has a habit of doing that. After all, he sucked you into his evil web and you barely escaped. Glad you are keeping an out out on everyone. Kind of our "Marvel Superhero" fighting for "Truth, Justice, and keeping people from unleashing too many ballads!"

M
Arty Redsocks
MAB, thanks for your sage advice, it is your ability to look macro rather than the micro most of plebs see in which differentiates this site.

Like music itself, never know until you try.


As far as access to performers goes, it is true, these people are not living in ivory towers, there is just not the money available for such. Sure there are exceptions but it is rare not to meet the players at the pub before or after their gigs, they all want to sell merc LOL Even met Murray and had a chin wag with the “Red Wiggle” he is surprisingly tall (I am 6’ 3 and he had a few inches on me) and wasn’t a bad player either!

Even when I did our big country music festival in 2014, Tamworth, spent all of my nights in a photographic studio with all the players coming in for a late night / early morning jam. As always some are squirts of lemon in the eye but most of them are easy going and good blokes / sheilas so to speak.

So sure I will sit with John and no doubt take you up on the offer.

Like music itself, never know until you try.


There has been a move by the Country Music Academy CMA to develop co-writing between the participants but they are still rooted in OLD COUNTRY and run a song writing contest which has an arbitrary must be Australian aspect, yeh the fences, tractors and utes (trucks to you folks) are still a requirement – Jason Blume a couple of years ago suggested we are about 40 years behind the states… Mainstream radio is firmly rooted in MTV style pop and syndicated across the states with minimal Aus content

Repeat over
Like music itself, never know until you try.
Like music itself, never know until you try.


The COVER Solution
Heritage Overlays – our old buildings have a special charter of Heritage Overlay, preventing owners from destroying the façade in any way, in some cases even the actual construction and property itself. I think the music industry should investigate this and use it for certain songs, Stairway to Heaven, Hotel California, Dock of the Bay, Goodbye Yellow brick road, Pancho and Lefty (take note Willie and friend lol) , for the Aussies out there, Bow River etc. – these song can be played but only if played exceptionally well and if in the opinion of any single punter it is not of sufficient quality, a Heritage Overlay is demanded and they have to stop playing song, simple hey!!!

Arty


John Westwood
One major issue is the demise of the  larger venues  from where came all the top Ausie bands...

Now with smaller venues and tighter wallets and competition  from poker machines  the venues are smaller , booze consumption is less and there is less money to pay  for bands . So whats left?

Folk  who turn up with a guitar  and they cost , in most cases nothing . That  lends itself to singer songwriter/folk/country rather than danceble  pop/rock

Not many solo artists can rock it up enough  for chicks to dance to  so the chicks head off to the discos ..and where the chicks go, so  go the  men .

 Hopefully  the wheel will turn as it usually does  only with a  new tread pattern

jw
Kevin Emmrich
I Can't Dance by Graham Parsons (a Tom T Hall song):  
Phillip (phil g.) Grigg

Cool song Kevin. Thanks for the link.


John W., talking about single artists rather than bands, reminded me of another thing about the other night when I was out with Dan and Charlene. After the trivia game at the Waterfront Inn, we walked up to a bar called City Fire so Charlene could dance. It sounded like a band when we walked up, but when we got inside, it was just one guy. He had some kind of karaoke machine with a keyboard for his backup band, while he sang the lead parts. Plenty of rhythm there to dance. And there is actually a pretty good amount of that kind of thing. These single artist acts have gotten into drum machines, loop pedals, and harmonizers for their act and can easily produce the kind of rhythm/sound folks can dance too. They are much cheaper than a band, and can still draw the dance crowd.


phil g.

Phillip (phil g.) Grigg

MAB, I have had a few e-mail discussions with OD myself. In one of those, we were discussing show vs. tell, and he sent me some lyrics he was working on. I replied back with a few comments on ways I thought he could say things better, but did not give him any specific lyric ideas. He just sent me another e-mail that he had done some rewriting and sent the lyrics to you to get them put to a rhythm and melody. I think he said you were taking this to the studio? Anyway, if you do get it recorded, are you and OD going to share the finished tune with us in the open mic? Would love to hear t!


phil g.

Dan Lamons

Hey Dan! Yes, it was a great time! Sorry I don't dance though. Hmmm Could be a great title for a song! Oh wait, it's already been done. One of the really interesting things was that turns out Dan and Charlene live real close to [evil] Herb. But, what 2 different guys! Dan and Charlene are two real fun people to be out with. Thanks for inviting me along.


phil g.





Don't apologize, I wasn't going to ask you anyway. OD may have been disappointed if he had been present. Tell him Im drinking again, and now we can converse at the same level.

Herb lives just around the corner from my favorite Mexican restaurant.

Your sisternlaw came up and introduced herself last night, our table was right next to the band so we were unable to have much of a conversation. I did recognize her from previous trips. She was really nice and came back and hugged me before she left.

This is our last day, starting at 6:00 in the hotel lounge for an hour or two and then up the street to City Fire.
Phillip (phil g.) Grigg

Well Dan, you and Charlene have a great last evening in town! Get some rest though. It is a long drive back to Chattanooga. Make sure you call me before you come back down so I can plan to spend some time with y'all. Also Dan, bring you're guitar and harmonicas. Maybe we can jam or write a new song. Or, maybe you can teach me some new licks on the guitar and/or harp.


Be careful going home.


phil g.

Big Ed Moore
"24 Notes", the song that Marc and I wrote, wasn't written to help a charity. It was to tell a compelling story from a unique perspective. As it turns out, it WILL end up helping a charity after all. I put together a band to be the voice of the song and the release date is 1/19/16. I'll post links to the band website, FB page and Twitter page that we have created. Check them out to see what we're doing. A portion of every single sold will be donated to BUGLES ACROSS AMERICA, the org. that provides real horn players to perform "TAPS" live at the funerals of our Veterans, free of charge to the Vet's families. WE're working hard to make the most of this release, without any label help. We'll see if we can bypass the front and back doors, and slip in through a side window. LOL! Here's a bit more about the charity, from our website.

Boot Hill Bandits™ NEW SINGLE RELEASE of "24 Notes" is also dedicated, and pays a very special tribute to BUGLES ACROSS AMERICA and it's founder, Tom Day. This Veterans organization has thousands of volunteers, who give of their time and talents to play "TAPS", otherwise known as "The 24 Notes", at Veteran's funerals all across our Country. Our hope is that each and every Freedom Loving American will help support this project, as a portion of every "24 Notes" MP3 sold will be directly donated to Bugles Across America, to help them continue and expand their mission, and to raise awareness of the problem they are solving.

Bugles Across America was founded in 2000 by Tom Day, when Congress passed legislation stating Veterans had a right to at least 2 uniformed military people to fold and present the flag as well as a performance of "TAPS", at their funerals. Unfortunately, over 90% of Veteran's funerals use a PRERECORDED version of "TAPS", as the Military doesn't have the musicians available to give a Live performance to all our Veterans any more. Most Veterans are unaware of this situation. As Americans, who are also Musicians, we are saddened by the situation, but want to help with a solution, which this wonderful Organization is providing. Bugles Across America is filling the need for real musicians by sending Buglers and Trumpet players to perform at Veteran's funerals, when requested, free of charge to the Veteran's families. They are the ONLY Veterans Organization addressing this issue! They are always in need of more volunteer horn players from all over our Country, and we know that they will get them, as we get the word out. Bugles Across America now has over 6500 bugler volunteers located in all 50 states and a growing number overseas.

Bugler Volunteers can be male or female. They can play a traditional bugle with no valves, or they can perform the ceremony on a Trumpet, Cornet, Flugelhorn, or a 1, 2 or 3 valved bugle. The bugler can be of any age as long as they can play the 24 notes of "TAPS" with an ease and style that will do honor to both the Veterans, their families, and the burial detail performing the service. To date Mr. Tom Day and his volunteers have played for well over 250,000 American Veterans. When the need arises, all a Veteran's family needs to do is go to the Bugles Across America website and make a request. They will quickly get back to you and connect you with a volunteer Bugler in your area. It's that simple! We invite you to join us in supporting this great organization, as they work hard to bring Honor and Respect to our Heroes, on the day of their last goodbye. We salute them too! Visit Tom Day and Bugles Across America at; http://www.buglesacrossamerica.org

Wish us luck!  "Big Ed"
John Westwood

John W., talking about single artists rather than bands, reminded me of another thing about the other night when I was out with Dan and Charlene. After the trivia game at the Waterfront Inn, we walked up to a bar called City Fire so Charlene could dance. It sounded like a band when we walked up, but when we got inside, it was just one guy.


*snip*


They are much cheaper than a band, and can still draw the dance crowd.


phil g.


One thing about  live bands  that drives me  nuts is the volume..  You dont have to play loud  to be good.. quite the reverse .
However having seen and heard some of the rave  party  sounds I think mind  numbing  volume might be the only way  to tolerate  it   and also put up with the inanities of  the  *star Djs* .


Grumble  grumble  ramble ramble  Old man  syndrome  :)

 j
Jonathan San German
Okay. You see, John. There are still LOADS of active singer songwriters that get support and notice from local communities, I think Alan said something about it in one of his posts not too long ago. It all depends on what the current trend in the local music scene is. I'm not quite sure what kind of music is played mostly in your area, but trust me, singer song writers can still bring the hype. I tend to find that it depends on which performing acts your stuck between. I find that softer singer songwriter stuff tends to be heard more when you're between two louder acts. But that's just how it goes with my experiences. Another thing is that when bands play loud it gets people excited! 


Okay! With that being said, my contribution to this thread: How does one make something accessible as possible? My band is currently thinking on incorporating aspects of the genre of math rock (songs that are just in weird timings like 6/8 for instance) into our sound. However, as much as I love this genre, some of the music isn't very accessible to a wide audience. Any advice on how to take something strange and make it work? 
Arty Redsocks
Firstly Big ED,
that is truly admirable and the fact it passed congress even more so, the effort needed to get this moved was greater than any mountain I bet. I can remember being just a kid, maybe 5 or 6 hearing this played at an Anzac Memorial and as i did then and do now think it is THE most moving piece of music, hats off to you all and all the success it deserves - hope they have a rather sizable side window...

JW,  Phil, Jonathan re Bands would have to say the last couple of bands and most of last year, I have seen have been Thrash, Punk (well modern day interpretation anyway) Death Metal along with a whole lot of Folk Rock bands. Except for the folk rock, the volume the drums are played with the modern way of making sure every piece of the kit is hit as hard as possible at least once every bar ensure all other instruments are turned up and a blancmange of sound, not Phil Spectors wall of sound just a wall. These people don't care about lyrics.... Think mostly these people would call themselves Indie and as a general rule they don't think the music is for the listener it is for them!

The venues are not paying for bands or a best token amounts of cuts of the door and bar %

So yesterday went to a Poetry reading (wrote and posted some the other night, first time in long time,,,) I didn't read as it was basically full and I had to leave half way through to see a very talented mate I had not seen for some time, well he played his last album with most the songs using the recording from the album, him just playing guitar and vox, bit disappointing for mine, but hey it is his choice.

Finished off at the old timey session, the pub was packed so had to sit of the outside of the group, could barely hear the violins, but as i was on the outer, the people who came up and were blown away by this MUSIC were congratulating me, they were duly told of course it wasn't me but when the session finishes have a chat with Craig the bloke who runs the session. Tis a beautiful thing,hearing music as its meant to be,

RE MUSO CENTRAL
One of the others at the mates session was a girl I had not seen for a few years and we were talking about jobs and music etc, she has been working for a record label here and when i told her of the songwriting initiative she mentioned there already was one. Turns out this for Techno types with multiple producers and programmers with a few writers to write over the top, pretty much the POP world I guess, is of worth to try and break into?


An article that was put up re bridges, I really only use them if the story is incomplete, but it does include some intresting trending going on.


Arty





Phillip (phil g.) Grigg

Artie, thanks for that link. Very interesting article. Of special note was the length of each section. Specifically, the fact that sections are EVEN with lengths of 8, 12, or 16 bars. It also talks about bridges and pre-choruses being 4 or 8 bars. I had always written VCVC or VCVCBC or VVBV formats, but did not concern myself with the lengths (other than each section had to be the same) until about a year ago when a guitar teacher, who is also a songwriter, talked about section length and then again when I went to the studio with MAB and Jay, and they had restructured some songs to be even 12 or 16 bars. So now, I do consider section lengths when I write lyrics, and make sure they fit into a specific even bars length.


phil g.

Phillip (phil g.) Grigg

                                         It's a small world after all


Another interesting thing happened during Dan and Charlene's visit. As we sat there, Dan said they come down several times a year, and always stayed in the Villages at the Waterfront Inn, and always went to the City Fire bar and grill for diner and dancing. I mentioned that my sister-in-law, Carol, also hung out at the Waterfront and City Fire. I found a picture of Carol on my phone. Charlene was pretty sure she had seen her, but Dan wasn't. During the evening, I texted Carol to tell her I was out with friends at her stomping grounds. She wandered if she knew my friends. At the end of the evening I took a picture of Dan and Charlene and the next day sent it to Carol. They were both going out to the same place Friday night. I told Dan and Charlene, and Carol they should try to get together. Saturday I got a message from Dan that they had gotten together and it turned out they DID recognize each other. All the times they had been at the same place they had never actually met. Friday night they finally met and got to spend some time together.


Now the next time Dan and Charlene come down, there will be at least one more person they will know. And Carol is a very out going lady and will certainly be able to introduce Dan and Charlene to even more folks. This was and will all continue to be possible because Dan and Charlene, GOT OUT OF THE LIVING ROOM!


We are all connected!


phil g.

Phillip (phil g.) Grigg

Dan, this is a message I got from OD just for you;


Dan, this is OD responding to your posts.  You mentioned earlier you were trying to stir up the Old Dog and get me to respond.  Well, here it is.
I'm doing well and I'm happy you are too.  What continues to amaze me is your lovely wife Charlene is still putting up with your dumba**.  Ha!!!
(just teasin)

phil g. for OD
Dan Lamons

Dan, this is a message I got from OD just for you;


Dan, this is OD responding to your posts.  You mentioned earlier you were trying to stir up the Old Dog and get me to respond.  Well, here it is.
I'm doing well and I'm happy you are too.  What continues to amaze me is your lovely wife Charlene is still putting up with your dumba**.  Ha!!!
(just teasin)

phil g. for OD




Hey Dog ! Life is great when we are being amazed ! Glad I could help. She's been puttin up with me for 34 years.

I read in an earlier post of Morc's how your song writing skills were really improving.How much did you have to pay him to say that ?


I have partied for 5 days now drinking and eating to excess , Im at Warner Robbins in the Hilton fixin to head down to the lounge and do it for the last time before I get home. I feel as worn out as you look !

Just kiddin OD. Ha ! Good to hear from you and Im glad you are doing well.
Marc-Alan  Barnette
Hey folks,

Lots going on, sorry I have not been here. Had to go to Alabama yesterday to visit my 87 year old Mother. Her birthday was the day before so needed to go down home way. I do get to read what you guys are saying but can't always post. Trying to go back and comment.

Phil, on whether OD will post the latest song(s) I don't know. We actually have two in the works and today he sent me another one, so he is on a roll. OD is doing what I call "legacy writing". There is a reason we are all driven to writing in the first place. It is basically because we have some kind of skill or desire that makes us want to sit with those pieces of paper, those guitar or keyboard chords, or whatever and obsess over getting something just write. We are trying to share what is inside of us with as many people as we can and just want someone to hear us. and we would like to leave something behind to let people know we were here. This is a very valid reason to write. 
When people get into doing this for a more tangible reason, i.e. to get artists, publishers, whatever, audiences,  interested, we have to take a little more time and add craft. That is when it gets trickier. When someone wants to write to a certain level or "bar" it gets trickier still. 

What I have seen in OD over the past couple of years is including more of his personality and insights in his writing. It has more of his soul and instead of just writing words that rhyme, there are some thoughts behind them and some visual furniture that shows the situation he is describing. If you let him go, he will start saying some things that are quite profound and far more than most people would expect.

So that is what we are doing. He sends some things, I try to shape them a bit and add some melody that crafts them into what I consider more relevant songwriting. Like everything I personally do, I am trying to get the other person's inner persona to come alive. I'd like to think we are doing that.

As to if he'll post, I don't know. If you notice, I don't post a lot of songs. Mostly because they are usually involved with someone else's project. The "Big Ed 24 Notes' is one of those. WE wrote it a few years back, but he has been working on this "Bugles across America" thing for a while. So I have been pretty low key on what we were doing. Now that he has started this campaign, I will help him promote any way I can. When you have other writers, artists, publishers, charities, producers, labels, etc. you have to see what they want to do and where they need to take it. Since everything takes a long time in this day and age, with some songs taking YEARS to get out there, you just have to cruise along at other people's pace.

Johnathon, as far as different time signatures, you are probably going to have to carve out your own niche on that. If I were going to study anything, it might be a band like STEELY DAN, from the 70's and 80's who used all kinds of complicated time signatures a feature of their band. They blended rock, soul, blues, jazz to be very effective. I have gone back and listened to a lot of their stuff over the past year and forgotten how much I really liked it. the thing that is constant in those guys were HUGELY SINGABLE songs. Almost all their choruses are so singable and memeroable that they just fit into tremendous grooves throughout. So me, being a singer, would gravitate to anyone that has prominant choruses that stick in your mind. That, to me is what would make it accessable. Outside of that it is iffy with audiences, who usually want the most simple things they can hang onto. The more complicated you usually make it, the faster they tune out. Of course, if you are going to something like Jazz, different signature are pretty desired.

Know the difference between a jazz musician and a rock musician?
A Jazz musician plays 3000 chords in front of 3 people. 
A rock musician plays 3 chords in front of 30,000 people.

Arty, another thing in my experience is that there are usually songwriter's groups in almost every place on Earth. There are millions of people who call themselves songwriters,whether they are or not, and I have rarely gone anywhere where there has not been a few scattered about. Even most of the people who have come here from down under, usually will talk about some night or some group of people doing it that they have heard of but have never contacted. Distance will definately make a difference so you have to do what you can. The "OC 9" group in Orange County Ca. is a perfect example. When you look at a map of California, and places like Orange County and Los Angeles, California, they are not that far apart. About 60 miles, and should just be about an hour. But traffic is UNBELIEVABLE!!! you can sit for thirty minutes just getting on an onramp. It is normal to spend 5-6 hours in traffic a day.

That is the reason they approached me in the first place. So many people come to Nashville expecting to get in some doors and then find out it is 100% a co-writing town. and most of them know nothing about co-writing because of the traffic problems. So the idea is to attract people in the same area as they live.

Don, glad you are having a great time. Good to hear from you.

MAB




Dan Lamons
Marc-Alan Barnette said...

"Don, glad you are having a great time. Good to hear from you.

MAB





Thanks Morc !
Arty Redsocks
there is a reason we are all driven to writing in the first place. It is basically because we have some kind of skill or desire that makes us want to sit with those pieces of paper, those guitar or keyboard chords, or whatever and obsess over getting something just write


Funny I was thinking about this the other day and exactly what did I want to get out of songwriting and my original goal was to get a cut and be the song on the album you liked better than the big hit song, Pocahontas on Rust Never Sleeps, Battle of Evermore on Volume 4, Danny Bailey on Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Mr Speed on Rock N Roll Over, plus one on nearly every album I own....

Is it or was it just me?

But then barely 10 mins into my songwriting 'career' and the album almost completely died, I feel sad for music because of it!


I was inspired by the TAPS to go and record to music one of the saddest and best poems I know, a poem called THE LAST PARADE, by an Australian bush poet known as Banjo Paterson, dealing with the fact due to the quarantine laws of Australia none of the 10,000's of horses taken over in WW1 and used by the Lighthorse regiments (save for one ridden by a colonel of  course), was allowed to come back, so after the end of the war, they were all taken and shot!

They were very highly regarded in The Light Horse Charge at Beersheba thought to have been the last great Calvary win  in awar. I originally intended to do it all but just kept it as the G to D... love history!  Anyway it is on soundcloud if you want to hear it!

Arty