David Sanchez
Hi, Peggy.  I play both piano and guitar, and I think guitar is much easier to learn.  With a guitar, it is much easier to get to the point of being able to play chords that sound decent and that can inspire you to come up with melodies.  You can learn just a few chords and, with a capo, play in any key.  With an electric keyboard you can switch keys easily, too, but it would likely take a long time before you can get to the point where your playing doesn't sound rudimentary.  Also, it easier to get a modern rhythmic comp going on a guitar, than it is with a piano.  

Another option is to learn basic chords on the piano (not really learn how to play, just learn the chords), and then get a program called "Real Guitar" by Musiclabs.  It has pre-figured comp figures that you can use to create realistic guitar parts, which can be pretty inspirational for coming up with melodies.  You can hear what I did with the electric guitar version of this program here: https://soundcloud.com/david-sanchez-songwriter/never-let-you-down   I just played block chords at each beat where I wanted a chord change, and the program followed what I was doing, playing guitar parts with the correct guitar intervals.  It is pretty cool.

D

 

Ok, I have a question. Many times on here it has been said that a songwriter should learn to play an instrument.


So now I am considering to do just that. My husband suggested that I get a guitar and learn to play. I am a little concerned, because I hear how it hurts  your fingers and people even have their fingers bleeding. I need my fingers for my paying job. And do I really want callouses on my fingers??


I thought maybe a keyboard would be easier. Plus some of them have drums etc. on them. Something about a guitar is pretty cool, but I just don't know which would be  better and easier to learn at this stage.


I know it takes years to be good and I don't plan on playing in front of people, just to help with the songwriting.


Maybe some of our ladies will comment on this one as well.


so help me make a decision.....

Peggy





Larry Killam
Peggy may I suggest that you buy a Mandolin.If you learn the two finger chords its easy to play and not so hard on the fingers or even a Tenor Banjo.All Da best with what ever you choose.
Marc-Alan  Barnette
Only if you never want to be able to play anything that doesn't sound like a Hawaiian or bluegrass song. 

People, you need to realistic with Peggy. If she is going to take the time to learn something it should have some practical application. 

Peggy, my vote obviously would be guitar. It is easily portable, and with some light gauge strings, and a minimum of practice, you can be playing much easily than having to think of individual notes or specialty instruments. Keyboards, while do having some drum sounds, they all sound pretty cheesy and you rarely end up using them for anything. They are bulky and harder to set up. 
While you might not be thinking right now of performing anywhere, if you do get a little better, you could have the OPTION of performing. And after an open mic or two, it gets a little easier to show people what you can do. It all just makes it easier to communicate your music. Don't worry about being great, just functional.
And there are "learning guitars" that you could borrow or play for very little money. Most keyboards cost much more.

For these and many other reasons, for me there would be no choice. Guitar all the way. If Justin can do it, anyone can do it.

MAB
Larry Killam
Guitar is a good choice I have 2 of them but havenèt played guitar since I was 16.
Phillip (phil g.) Grigg

Peggy, from my own experience, the keyboard was easier to learn. The keyboard I had, also had the built in rhythm tracks, and you made the chords with 1 or 2 fingers. 1 finger for major chords, and 2 fingers for minor chords. It was easy to make your chord changes and make them on the correct beat. NOTE HOWEVER it did sound a little "cheesy". But I just used it to write the song, not perform it. 


The guitar wasn't really that much harder to learn, but learning to keep rhythm and making chord changes on the correct beat was harder, and still is, for me. I will tell you, that learning guitar, your fingers will hurt. But, the "bleeding fingers" is a cliché that guitar players use to tell students that's when you are really learning. Your fingers don't bleed. But the tips do hurt until they get some callouses. THEN, as you learn more things on the guitar, your whole hand may even hurt sometimes from using new muscles. But that too goes away after enough practice.


Now, let me add, this goes back to the discussion we had on being a lyricist. It isn't the instrument you use to write your songs; It's the rhythm you keep while doing it. So, since a keyboard, even the cheaper ones, will probably have built in rhythm tracks, you will be able to use that rhythm to write your lyrics.


These days, I usually write a new song using my guitar, but I still use a rhythm track on my keyboard to make sure the lyrics and chord changes fit the way I want them too. And, I still use the rhythm track to practice songs to make sure I'm keeping rhythm. BTW, after years of this, I pretty much know all the chords I need and can change fairly easily, BUT I still have a problem with keeping rhythm sometimes, and THAT is more important. Especially when you are performing live, and can't go back and correct your mistakes!


phil g.

Marc-Alan  Barnette
And then there is Phil, whose one man Tuba, banjo, kick drums and cymbals all while playing squeezbox and harmonica with his elbows is truly something to see. Don't let the evilness that he has been infected with infect you Peggy. He has also been seen doing some of the "R-Word" as well. Dressing in very loose fitting clothing, with his hat on sideways and ten or fifteen huge gold chains around his neck. He rides around in his solid gold RV with very loud music going as he drives down the street screaming obscenities. Due to his missing teeth, he now has a solid gold "Grill" where his front teeth used to be.  Poor poor Phil, the evilness finally conquered him.

MAB
Phillip (phil g.) Grigg

Well MAB, you can joke about my "gold front grill", but the final joke just might be on you. I have a dentist appointment Thursday. I have a cracked crown on one of my front teeth and it needs to be replaced. She will take the old one off and I will have a temporary crown for the 2 weeks at FBISF. I guess I could ask her to use a gold temporary. Then, I could go on stage as, "Phil G with the golden smile!" All the ladies there, most being in their 70's and hard of hearing, might hear the word "gold" and think I'm rich or something.


phil g.

Marc-Alan  Barnette
I know Phillip. That is why the joke worked. All good humor has roots in reality. As well as your Gold RV and all the other things like your current rap career. I am keeping tabs on you all the way around. Figured you would go over to the Evilness. Next well call you "GOLDPHILLER!!!!" wa wa wa!!!!!

MAB
Gilly Slinn
Surprised to see me here on MAB's Forum?

Well for reasons that might come to light in the not too distant future - I promised Marc I'd drop by.

Peggy - I'm a lady - (well - female at least`Happy   So I understand your dilemma regarding callouses on your fingers. I've been playing guitar for well over forty years. I really would suggest a guitar to start with. The general description of a lyricist - (here in the UK at least) is someone with a musical background who tends to specialise in lyrics. This gives you an insight into how words and music compliment each other - how the lines scan - how they can be performed and the "musicality" of words.- just like chords - they are symbiotic - lyrics and music should fit together in such a way as to make them sound like they were made for each other.

Yes - those strings can hurt a little at first - but that doesn't last long. `you could try a guitar with very light guage strings - like 10's that aren't so hard on your fingers - or you could even start with a nylon stringed instrument - which are much softer to play.
The guitar has the advantage of portability - shove it in a case and you can take it anywhere. And while keyboards are very useful - they aren't so easy to carry around, Once you get to know the basic "first position" chords - you can strum along to almost anything. 
My fingers tips are however so gnarly i could bang a nail in with them - but that's due to me playing blues - bending the strings and generally ripping the strings and my fingers to shreds. But I'm too old to care. And forget trying to keep your nails nice and tidy too - goodness knows how`Dolly Parton manages to keep that perfect manicure.

But DO consider taking up an instrument - whatever you choose will definitely pay dividends in your songwriting journey.

Gilly.
John Westwood
I, too suggest a guitar because it is more dynamic.
Kbs , esp  when you first start, tend to sound  dumpty doo .

Remember  the instrument is only to accompany  you ,  in this scenario, to get your lyrics and melody across with your voice.

 The obvious callouses  seem to go away  after a while and the finger tips seem to  harden  more   but a big mistake  is to soak  your hands  in water especially when  , or if,  you are washing dishes .

Use paper plates :)  and rubber gloves  dont help either..

Life is  full of choices..Manicure or  music .  :)


J
Ott Lukk
Gilly on Marc's forum? I had to check to see if I was on the right forum . . . 
Peggy Burnham
I want to thank everyone for the insight on the differences and the recommendations. Looks like I am leaning toward the guitar.
John, I guess I am in trouble because I am a hairstylist and my hands are in water every day. Paper plates at home, but shampoo and water at work.

Thank you Gilly glad you are joining us.

Peggy
John Westwood

I want to thank everyone for the insight on the differences and the recommendations. Looks like I am leaning toward the guitar.
John, I guess I am in trouble because I am a hairstylist and my hands are in water every day. Paper plates at home, but shampoo and water at work.

Thank you Gilly glad you are joining us.

Peggy



 Maybe Nylon strings are  for you , then.  I forgot to add   a guitar  is more dynamic  than a KB  un ess it is in experienced hands.

j
Gilly Slinn
Ott Lukk said...

Gilly on Marc's forum? I had to check to see if I was on the right forum . . . 





I know.

But then why not? 

I may be just a simple English Minstrel - (The accent on "simple" )  - but I thought I'd spread me wings now and then.

Not that I have any wings you understand - I just flap me arms wildly and hope for the best.


Marc-Alan  Barnette
It is now Gilly's forum. I relenquish it to her. have a good time!

MAB
Gilly Slinn

I want to thank everyone for the insight on the differences and the recommendations. Looks like I am leaning toward the guitar.
John, I guess I am in trouble because I am a hairstylist and my hands are in water every day. Paper plates at home, but shampoo and water at work.

Thank you Gilly glad you are joining us.

Peggy






The thing about immersing your hands in water Peggy - is that any hard skin you develop tends to soften and fall off after a while. Rubber gloves can make your hands sweaty - resulting in the same problem.
 Some recommend soaking your fingers in methylated spirits to harden them up - but I've never tried it so I'm not sure.

You certainly need a bit of a callous on a steel string - but if you allow them to develop slowly they'll grow more resistant.

But once you've started playing and your finger-tips adapt - don't stop for any length of time or you'll be back to square one. An hour a day to start with - then work your way up.  You'll be surprised how quickly your fingers adapt.

And if and when you buy an guitar - try as many as you can to see what feels most comfortable. They can differ enormously - depending on scale length - action - neck profile. Go into as many music stores as you can and drive 'em crazy - that's what the sales guys are there for. 

Happy
John Westwood
Gilly Slinn said...





. Go into as many music stores as you can and drive 'em crazy - that's what the sales guys are there for. 

Happy



Dont forget to  try out the guitars while you are there, too.

Sorry  I couldnt resist  :)

Gilly Slinn

It is now Gilly's forum. I relenquish it to her. have a good time!

MAB






No it's not MAB!  I'm merely an intruder and expect to get thrown out of here any minute. Happy

Quite rightly too - I'm just gate crashing for future reference.

And to confuse people.

I now gladly hand you all back to "The Boss."



Peggy Burnham
Thanks again Gilly, great advice. I will probably be fine. I actually have callouses on my palms. I have horses so I am outside working with my hands as well. So if, I try it and like it I think I will be fine. But you never know, I just may not have the aptitude or desire to really do it. No way to know until I try. My family is musical so maybe it will come naturally and I will love it.

Peggy
Marc-Alan  Barnette
Noo!! Once the mantle has been passed on, there is no turning back. you now are in control of OD, Phil, John Westwood and Luck. Do wit them what you will.

Good bye!!!!
John Westwood

Thanks again Gilly, great advice. I will probably be fine. I actually have callouses on my palms. I have horses so I am outside working with my hands as well. So if, I try it and like it I think I will be fine. But you never know, I just may not have the aptitude or desire to really do it. No way to know until I try. My family is musical so maybe it will come naturally and I will love it.

Peggy



 You will find , just like every endeavour incl hairdressing, the  early  yards are  hard  but then  you pick up the  guitar and that  part  you were struggling with  suddenly has  become so much  easier .
 I never did  get back  on the horse  that  bolted with me on the back. Look what I missed out on  by not getting back  on :)


Gilly Slinn
What in God's name have I done?

I only popped by like I said I would-  all I know about is guitars and pretending I can write songs.

I'm making a run for it while `i've got the chance!

Like I did at the Rose and `Crown Pub when the audience were demanding their money back.


Eddie Minyard
MAB has obviously not read the fine print in the Moderator Agreement. 

you can check out, but you can never leave.

dying requires one  year notice. 

I have people to enforce rule one, which, unfortunately, occasionally results in a violation of Rule Two. therefore, we go ahead and impose the penalty for that, as well. 

thanks
Marc-Alan  Barnette
HALO,

Muy neme is Guey Guidwah, Eh m Mr. Burnette's Flemish translateeerr. Mr. Buneette caan no looongeh speakah da Engleesh. Zeh vill be NO MORE communication zeence hee hos leved le areaaa. Meeez Gilleeey vil now be takink over vit da nooz deescussion group.

Zank Youez
Marc-Alan  Barnette
I heard someone took over the thread last night. I think it was probably evil influences from across the pond. Oh well, countdown to Frank Brown. Anybody got anything musical they want to talk about?